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<exodus> Hi guys. I'm looking into writing a cross-platform GUI
application. Anyone have any recommendation as to what toolkit to use?
<ivan> tkinter
<dash> or gtk.
<ivan> just not that evil wrapper called wxpython
<ivan> wow, pygtk looks pretty clean
<exodus> Why not wxpython?
<dash> exodus: it's slow, it's annoying, it's confusing, it crashes
<ivan> because it's hard to learn and the code is ugly
<exodus> Yeah I'm looking at tkinter docs right now. It looks pretty
clean.
<ivan> for a long time i thought pygtk was just as horrible as
wxpython, but then i looked at this hello world example right now
<burp> dash: I'd like to see you substantiate every one of those
claims. :)
<burp> dash: Because my experience indicates otherwise.
<exodus> I think I'm going to use tkinter.
<exodus> Or try to =)
<burp> exodus: TkInter is good, but the paucity of widgets might bite
you later.
<exodus> paucity?
<burp> exodus: It's not a very wide selection, only the most basic
widgets.
<ivan> my main complaint with tkinter is no menu shortcuts
<burp> exodus: I had to port the app I'm working on at the moment from
TkInter to wxPython.
<burp> exodus: My app is currently being used on Windows and Linux.
<exodus> That's the target for mine.
<exodus> It's going to be a scorched earth clone sort of thing, with
multiplayer support.
<burp> exodus: TkInter was doing the job wonderfully, especially that
canvas!
<burp> exodus: But wxPython beats it hands down when it comes to the
variety of widgets.
<burp> exodus: Why don't you take a look at PyGame as well?
<exodus> I'll do that.
<ivan> pygame isn't for GUIs
<burp> ivan: He wants to write a scorched earth clone.
<ivan> oh.
<burp> ivan: AFAICR, that's a game.
<exodus> Yes, it's a game.
<Ambient> scorched earth rocked
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<exodus> Hell yes it did =)
<dash> burp: it's written in C++. Next question?
<Ambient> one of the rare good games of gaming history
<dash> Aye, scorch was good
<dash> definitely use pygame for that.
<burp> dash: That is a terrible argument.
<exodus> Ambient, as soon as I've got something quasi-working I'll put
it up on sourceforge, and you can come help =)
<burp> dash: Really, you should be ashamed.
<ivan> burp: no, it's not
<Ambient> :)
<dash> burp: Not likely.
<ivan> burp: it's an excellent argument
<dash> ivan: go away
<exodus> lmao
<burp> dash, ivan: You can't prove that using C++ to write a GUI
library immediately disqualifies that GUI library.
<dash> burp: "prove"?
<exodus> I think Qt is nice.
<burp> dash: Yes, prove, by information-theoretic principles or just
solid logic.
<dash> burp: Huh?
<burp> dash: You made a ludicrous statement without any kind of
substantiation.
<dash> burp: I'm going to stop listening to you now.
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<burp> dash: I know that reaction.
<exodus> lol
<burp> dash: You KNOW that you're being immature.
<dash> burp: There's no excuse for C++. End of discussion.
<dash> exodus: this is a "lol"-free channel, please
<burp> dash: You've been programmed.
<exodus> ahhaha, okay.
<dash> burp: This discussion is over.
<burp> dash: I understand that you're cognitively unable to deal with
this matter.  Negation is far easier.
<burp> dash: My sympathies in anycase.
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<exodus> hehe yeah
<burp> exodus: Don't let them brain-wash you too!
<dash> burp: recommending software written in C++ is strictly
--disallowed
<burp> exodus: You can write really terrible code in C++, but that
--shouldn't disqualify the language altogether.
<exodus> Duly noted.
<burp> dash: I guess this is a question of "Listen to the guy with the
--gun."
<dash> burp: Yes. Yes, it is.
<burp> dash: I always wondered how it felt to live under that kind of
--totalitarian regime. :)
<ivan> so if 99% of code in C++ is written craptastically, does that
--still qualify C++ as a good language?
<dash> burp: hey, _you_ don't live here
<dash> #python does not exist for your amusement
<burp> dash: I didn't claim that it does.
<dash> mmkay.
<burp> dash: I merely claimed that it was reminescent of a
--totalitarian regime.
<burp> dash: And implied that you were a fascist. :P~
<dash> burp: Nah. If i was a fascist I'd have corporate sponsorship.
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<mistj> helou all
<mistj> anybody here familiar with pyndex
<dash> mistj: the pyndex people aren't in
<dash> there's about three people that can help you
<dash> and they aren't here
<Ambient> hehe
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<burp> *duck*
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